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i will state it again and again

i'm against puberty blockers for kids

because to even be considered for blockers, a kid almost certainly has been socially living as their gender for years and deserves to go through puberty alongside their peers

i'm pro HRT

the early effects of HRT are essentially all reversable and essentially every kid put on hormone blockers ends up put on HRT

robbing kids of having their adolescence alongside their peers is wrong

(this does mean puberty blockers for trans masc kids so they can wait a couple years to go alongside the other boys. but you get my point)

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in reply to deilann v -0.2.1.

the biggest pushback i've had in the past against this over and over is how it's too radical and it will get trans healthcare targeted because trans healthcare for minors is already such a hot button issue and puberty blockers are so safe and surely no one could object to them

assimilation and compromise doesn't work

no state moving to ban trans healthcare for kids is like "oh puberty blockers are fine, we're just gonna ban everything else"

this was apparent from the start.

no level of compromise with people who want us eradicated will ever work.

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in reply to deilann v -0.2.1.

I have tried to explain this to so many people... they deem teens not mature enough to do HRT even if they have socially transitioned for years prior, but going through the wrong puberty because it's ~natural hormones is a-OK. Delaying it until a person is of an "appropriate" arbitrary age was always a compromise and as usual it backfired because they just don't want trans people to exist.

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in reply to deilann v -0.2.1.

good take. plus um, expand rights and protections for kids in general, we treat kids like they can't make decisions about stuff like their gender and stuff when they absolutely can, its dumb. world sees kids like property of parents and that's bad. parents should be guardians and helpers not owners

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in reply to jojo

(no this does not apply to age of consent im not talking about age of consent when i say expand rights)
in reply to jojo

im actualy terrified about talking about kids rights usually because it tends to attract those kinds of people
in reply to jojo

from experience: it also attracts the kind of people who will accuse others of being the aforementioned kind of person.
in reply to Luna Dragofelis ΘΔ🏳️‍⚧️🐱

and way more often than should be the case those two kinds of people are the same person
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@jolitl

children need to be able to say no more than anything whether it's to grandma's kisses or major life decisions being made for them

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in reply to deilann v -0.2.1.

@JoscelynTransient

most of the reason i put it this way is because people often talk about puberty blockers as if they're the best of both worlds

when no, they're not

yes, they stop a painful wrong puberty from happening but they rob a child (who likely has already been robbed over and over in this way) of participating in shared social experiences

and we need to stop pretending that isn't otherizing and damaging as well, being told that unlike all of your friends who are now entering a new stage of life, you just have to sit and watch until you're "old enough"

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in reply to deilann v -0.2.1.

as long as you don't forget people who might want to (edit: _intentionally_) try out the relatively-untested "stay on puberty blockers forever / for an extended amount of time" paths
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in reply to R

@r for sure!

in nuanced reality i think there are a lot of uses for puberty blockers and anyone who wants them should be allowed to use them

i don't think they should be seen as the go-to first-line treatment and i don't think they should be used for the comfort of cis people who aren't even the person taking the medication

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deilann v -0.2.1.

the fact that fucking optics even ever come into play is so disgusting

"we could give you the treatment that makes sense, but then lawmakers might get even more scared of you and take away all our healthcare"

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in reply to deilann v -0.2.1.

you had me in the first half. But then I found out I agree with you 110% and actually hold the same stance lol.
in reply to deilann v -0.2.1.

So for the uninitiated (me). Puberty blockers “simply” delay, so it would only make sense where a delay would be beneficial (for other medical reasons).

Makes more sense to treat the direction (for lack of a better word) of the puberty then. When that is applicable. It’s not like it’s a spur of the moment thing after all.

Ultimately my opinion isn’t important though, I just want every individual to get whatever best treatment they need. Free of political, religious, dogmatic, racists, or bigot influences.

Thanks for pointing it out, I had never thought of these this way. So I think I have a better understanding now of at least this aspect. Speaking about these things are important. More so those that truly understand are the most important to listen to.

in reply to deilann v -0.2.1.

If the concerns were truly presented in good faith, puberty blockers would be the reasonable compromise position: forcing a gender transition on anyone is wrong, period. I’m becoming more and more vocal about refusing to call it puberty, it’s a gender transition even if it’s experienced almost universally.

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in reply to deilann v -0.2.1.

true! although i would have loved that when i was questioning as a kid

it should be an option but it shouldnt be the only option or even the default option

-carrie

in reply to Aprettyture!

@aperture what honestly sucks is that kids who are questioning are very unlikely to be given access to puberty blockers at all under current protocol

essentially only kids who have had a significant history and stable gender identity for years are considered

in reply to deilann v -0.2.1.

what if i don't want to go through puberty (i genuinely would have liked to have time to wait and figure things out personally and not grow facial hair by default in the meantime)
in reply to wyatt

@wyatt puberty blockers would be a good options for those cases, but as i just mentioned here, those aren't the cases where puberty blockers are even considered at this time :neodog_scream:


@aperture what honestly sucks is that kids who are questioning are very unlikely to be given access to puberty blockers at all under current protocol

essentially only kids who have had a significant history and stable gender identity for years are considered


in reply to deilann v -0.2.1.

I wondered why you were red on shimigami eyes...

So you'd rather traumatise and potentially kill kids by forcing them through the wrong puberty?

Thats... a take.

in reply to deilann v -0.2.1.

the most plausible complaints they have about early transition are side-effects of puberty blockers, something that's usually only administered because of parental concerns or bureaucracy (the kid can't go on hrt yet for a dumb reason). So yeah, straight-to-hrt makes more sense and is what I think should be the norm.
in reply to 𝚝𝚓𝚠

like I said in a recent post of mine, the best way to minimize the risk of unwanted permanent effects is to let kids choose their puberty.
in reply to deilann v -0.2.1.

I'm going to be even more radical and say we should stop gatekeeping puberty blockers altogether. Puberty sucks and it shouldn't be forced on anyone who doesn't want it, even if they're cis.
in reply to deilann v -0.2.1.

From what I understand, HRT also closes the growth plates, so someone can grow normally and not end up over seven feet tall
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@dianea

yep, and on the trans masc side, blockers until a bit older so estrogen doesn't close the growth plates too early then T instead so kids don't end up extra short