"An estimated 350,000 people march in #Toronto in support of #Iran #protests, police say"
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Because whenever I post about Iran I suddenly get engagement from #tankies:
Fuck the #USA
Fuck #Israel
But if your hatred/ disgust of those countries moves you to oppose the people of #Iran while they are mass murdered by theocratic #authoritarianism, fuck you too
You are not on the left if you don't understand that
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8124🟦
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •The far-left and the islamofascists have formed a temporary alliance of convenience.
The Iranian ayatollah’s regime is one of the main supports of the islamofascists, lending aid in the form of funds, ideology, and diplomacy.
Therefore, the far-left opts to remain silent so as not to cross their allies.
The only reason that you are able to call out the worst massacre in modern history, the slaughter of 70,000 or more Iranian citizens within 2 days, is that you are not far-left.
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to 8124🟦 • • •but Likudniks (right wing Israelis for those who don't know) should not think this means the world will forget about what Israel did to Gaza
the issue is principles, not geopolitics
and principles apply to all
furthermore, tankies are not far-left
it is not possible to support authoritarianism and to also exist on the left
rather, tankies are temporarily confused about the implications of their stated beliefs, and will eventually make peace with their real selves: they are fascists
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8124🟦
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Eventually the #GenocideLibel will fall out of favor once genocide scholars begin to recognize it for what it is: incitement to genocide.
#antizionism has room left to run, but we are beginning to call it out for what it is: a genocidal hate movement.
Wishing for the left to not be silent about Iran is aspirational, not descriptive.
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to 8124🟦 • • •fuck you you lying shitbag
you cannot fool the world about the obvious
israel committed genocide in gaza
i look forward to you calling me an antisemite for saying that, which i am not
but then we will see the real libel going on on this topic, won't we friend?
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8124🟦
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •You are not an antisemite.
You are an antizionist, which is different.
Which principle says you must condemn both the Hutus and the Tutsis?
You have no flipping clue what you are talking about. 🙂
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to 8124🟦 • • •@8124
blah blah blah
israel committed genocide in gaza
enjoy your posturing and hand waving, in an attempt to topic shift away from the radioactively obvious
making me the topic with bullshit word games is transparent
that you can't see what you are doing?: proof of your tribal bias over principles
that you know the weak game you are playing and think we can't see it?: proof of your cartoon character level attempt at manipulation
which is it friend?
the world is not as dumb as you think
8124🟦
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to 8124🟦 • • •@8124
me: "you're playing word games instead of admitting the obvious"
you: {proceeds to demonstrate exactly what i accuse you of, with some bonus hilarious "no, u!" grade school level hilarity, proving my point)
israel committed genocide in gaza
i'm sorry you can't deal with that
until you do, you're not a serious person
8124🟦
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •People who hurl #GenocideLibel are deeply unserious.
I’m sorry you’re such a racist antizionist.
Antizionism == Israel-hatred, is that simple enough for you?
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to 8124🟦 • • •no i'm an arsonist, since a little simple reality burns you so much
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any other lying deranged desperate smearmongering you got, genocide apologist?
i don't hate israel
i despise likud
exactly like:
i don't hate palestine
i despise hamas
welcome to the world of principles, weak ass shill
wait
WHY THE FUCK DO YOU FOLLOW ME
fixing that right now...
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8124🟦
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to 8124🟦 • • •@8124
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what other lying smears you got, shill?
they don't affect me, because i see the small little fool desperately flinging deranged accusations in an attempt deny reality
do you understand how weak and obvious you are?
everyone else does
8124🟦
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Your “principles” have you condemning both Hutus and Tutsis.
That’s because they are not principles at all, only vague notions. Aka talk is cheap.
Read a book for once in your life?
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •oh yeah, it's far better to support hutus mass murdering tutsis or tutsis mass murdering hutus
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what we do, those who are moral, is support hutus and tutsis
and we condemn those hutus talking mass murder and those tutsis talking mass murder
welcome to principles, genocide apologist
oh 8124? hello? anyone home?
you're telling on yourself, weak ass shill
Deb Nam-Krane
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Deb Nam-Krane • • •@dnkboston @8124
it's not very interesting
it's the easiest laziest ego defense mechanism in any argument
rather than admit possible fault, even just hypothetically to engage topically and prove someone else wrong, instead out comes the entire toolbox of lying accusations. it's a weakness. they are working hard to preserve a denial that is most precious to their self-identity
and if you see the lying accusations coming out in rapid succession, you can sense the desperation
Deb Nam-Krane
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •James M.
in reply to 8124🟦 • • •8124🟦
in reply to James M. • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to 8124🟦 • • •@8124 @jamesmarshall
yes: cope harder, genocide apologist loser
8124🟦
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •@jamesmarshall 😂
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •@8124 @jamesmarshall
desperate deflecting lies from the likud bigot
par for the course
obvious and boring
"no, u!" "no, u!" "no, u!" ad nauseum
James M.
in reply to 8124🟦 • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to James M. • • •@jamesmarshall @8124
welcome to the world of manufacturing fake outrage in an attempt to deflect from accepting reality someone doesn't like
it's a pretty sad, hilarious and cringe psychological state some people exist in, isn't it?
8124🟦
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •@jamesmarshall *decries manufactured fake outrage*
*believes in the #GenocideLibel too hard, accidentally aligns with iranian ayatollahs*
James M.
in reply to 8124🟦 • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to James M. • • •@jamesmarshall @8124
i have it on good information that James hangs his toilet paper the wrong way
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lying accusations and weak desperate smears because of a psychological block on accepting reality is an obvious, weak, cringe, and hilarious game
all 8124 is doing here is providing an object lesson on a simple psychological trap, something thinking people need to avoid in life
(unfortunately a lot of dimwit fools fall into this simpleton pattern in this world)
James M.
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to James M. • • •@jamesmarshall @8124
unfortunately we are drowning in such people
James M.
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to James M. • • •@jamesmarshall @8124
that fucker followed me
that was an easy force-unfollow
Deb Nam-Krane
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8124🟦
in reply to James M. • • •@jamesmarshall You know exactly what tokenism is.
You know it very well.
Be serious or go away.
James M.
in reply to 8124🟦 • • •8124🟦
in reply to James M. • • •Lorraine Lee
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in reply to Lorraine Lee • • •Clari
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Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Clari • • •on the contrary i don't block anyone (except for those demented few who follow you around to start off topic fights, the creepy stalkers)
what i do is engage and mock trolls
this is not emotional this is cold and tactical
i'm enraging them and fishing for actionable content to report them and get their account suspended
i've gotten rid of many vatnik accounts this way. i relish finding more
granted my approach is not for everyone
but do not mistake who i am and what i'm doing
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kali
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Lorraine Lee likes this.
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to kali • • •having watched how MAGA rose i believe "polite society" "high road" types who react to arguing with trolls with disgust to be part of the problem
blocking doesn't get rid of bigots and vatniks. you just don't see them
they continue to spread their poison
i say fight them
of course that stance isn't for everyone
but no one has the right to look down on us who bait, enrage, then report. and get trolls suspended
you who roll your eyes at us enjoy the fruits of our efforts
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in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •@kali @ClariNerd
fight them... but also, let them fight themselves.
What if it were as simple as just pointing a mirror that showed them who they really were... with such precision that they don't realize what they're looking at is them?
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Netraven • • •@Netraven @kali @ClariNerd
absolutely
self-awareness is the most painful thing to them
Netraven
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •@kali @ClariNerd
Self-awareness is costly to everyone, or so I think, but it is painful to those who have rejected it altogether as a form of feedback.
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Netraven • • •@Netraven @kali @ClariNerd
exactly so
we all have blind spots, no one is omnipotently self-aware
but there remains a core competency we all must have
or otherwise we're on the road to ignorance and indecency in desperate ego defense, just like MAGA
but also these sort of people who go to a club, enjoy the club, then clutch their pearls in horror when a bouncer has to get get physical with some asshole ruining the vibe of the club
you enjoy the club. so you thank the bouncer
Netraven
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •blindness to our blind spots may be our saving grace. As perhaps it is ignorance toward our own fragility, and proximity to catastrophe, that allows us to have this conversation at this time.
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Netraven • • •@Netraven @kali @ClariNerd
if we couldn't forget our pain, we would all go insane
so sometimes these blind spots are protective, as you say
Dopes The Frogman
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Clari
in reply to Dopes The Frogman • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Clari • • •that's a perfectly valid approach
but even in the scenario you describe there will be someone trying to mess with your good efforts, and you need to fight back, or they ruin your efforts
so i'm not asking you to change who you are. i'm asking you to recognize your good efforts are sometimes dependent on behavior you are saying you can't agree with, but in reality you just don't realize sometimes it is necessary to allow you to continue doing good
kali
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to kali • • •everything i am talking about is cold calculation
but if there is real emotional pain for you, then yes, do not do what i am saying
kali
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •kali
in reply to kali • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to kali • • •@kali @ClariNerd @macacator
don't forget joy
everyone needs joy in their life
seek joy
pain has to be forgotten. it can take time, so work to rush that process
kali
in reply to Clari • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Dopes The Frogman • • •@macacator @kali @ClariNerd
oh yes
there is always the question:
is this a genuine bigot moron?
or some troll who thinks they are being clever (but isn't)?
but that question doesn't matter. both types of accounts are a problem that needs to be shut down. so maybe your tactics change, but the end goal is the same
Fabio Manganiello
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •@macacator @kali @ClariNerd 8124 has been problematic for years, it’s an account whose sole mission is to harass anyone critical of Israel.
It has recently switched its self-proclaimed role from “reporting antisemitism” to “reporting antizionism” - same genocide-denying bullshit, different label, now with a whataboutist sprinkle of “what about Iran?” / “what about Hamas?” attached.
It has even reported gaza-verified accounts in the past and accused our initiative of scam.
I don’t know why it’s still allowed to harass people on the main instance, even though it has received hundreds of reports and it’s been suspended by half of the Fediverse.
My advice is to block, report and minimize engagement. You are not interacting with someone with genuine opinions who is open to dialogue, you are interacting with a propaganda asset who ignores everything you say and extracts a few words out of context in order to frame their reports.
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Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Fabio Manganiello • • •no
i engage trolls
i bury them in mockery, as a cold calculation
if they they take the bait and reply with actionable content, i report and get the fucker suspended
usually they block me
my block list is tiny
the list of those who have blocked me is huge
i am quite happy with this arrangement
mass murder apologists for iran and genocide apologists for israel are equal pieces of shit in my book. i will fight both such flavors of fuckwit until a rupture
Clari
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •I used to do that, and then fifteen years ago I decided to prioritize my own mental health over trying to help people that do not want to be helped.
In fact, I go so far as to limit my time on any social media to a maximum of fifteen minutes total per day.
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Clari • • •you're assuming i am emotionally involved
if i was i would agree with your advice
but it's possible to mock a troll in a cold and calculated way to push their buttons, and trigger their downfall
"over trying to help people that do not want to be helped"
you greatly misunderstand me. i'm not trying to help them. i'm trying to get them suspended
kali
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Clari
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Clari • • •@ClariNerd @fabio @kali @macacator
the emotionality is your problem, not mine
and it's a shame some people go to the club, enjoy it, then look disgusted at the bouncer for the bouncer's tactics, which makes their enjoyable experience possible
some people enjoy a social media landscape created in part by a huge moderation effort. then they look down their nose at the "ugliness" of the moderation effort
in this way, on a different scale, such "polite society" helped the rise of MAGA
kali
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in reply to kali • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to kali • • •@kali @ClariNerd @fabio @macacator
well you got mastodon
if we can keep it 😉
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kali
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to kali • • •@kali @ClariNerd @fabio @macacator
we can keep it
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in reply to Fabio Manganiello • • •mahadevank
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •the problem with the Iranian protest though is that it allows US to make a hostile maneuver hijacking the protestors objectives and instead installing a puppet government that listen to them and does whatever it wants internally.
We need to be careful about this.
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to mahadevank • • •@mahadevank
This is the dumbest fucking shit
You hesitate to support a people being mass murdered for their rights because you're more concerned about what the USA might do?
Fuck the USA. This is about the people of Iran
Let me show you what you sound like:
"We should hesitate to care about Gazans being genocided because what we should really do is worry about what Iran might do about it"
Doesn't that sound fucking stupid?
Congratulations, that's you
Fix your fucking priorities
mahadevank
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •This is not just me and my opinion. This is DIEM25, a group that Franceska Albanese is part of.
Get a hold of yourself. Flying off the handle doesn't convince me. Its barbarism.
Walking away from this argument but leaving this video for you to see.
youtube.com/watch?v=Fwmz2Q9TKi…
Yanis Varoufakis: Stand with Iran’s People, Not Washington or Tel Aviv
DiEM25 (YouTube)Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to mahadevank • • •Well your opinion fucking sucks. The moral center on this topic is supporting the people of Iran. If you can easily dismiss the people of Iran for geopolitics games your grasp on right and wrong is in doubt. I doubt you have morality
You stand with the people of Iran or you're a posturing piece of shit with no principles and you can go fuck yourself
I don't give a fuck who agrees with you or not
Of course the USA sucks. THAT'S NOT THE POINT
Support the people of Iran or eat shit
mahadevank
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •I'm on your side
Fuck Israel
Fuck the assholes who run Iran
Fuck the pedophiles
Iranian protestors should fight, win, and then form their own government. They should not accept help from US/Israel or some idiot exiled crown prince royalty scum bag.
That's my unapologetic stand.
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in reply to mahadevank • • •it's all well and good until you make your support for the people of iran conditional on what the usa or israel does
if israel/ usa do something massive, if israel/ usa do quiet meddling, if israel/ usa do nothing, etc: IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER
the people of iran being mass murdered for their rights is all that should matter
beginning and ending of the entire topic
fuck geopolitical games. focus on the people and the people alone
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