I wanted to say yes, but. But I think the most truthful answer for me is just yes. I think overall they are also unhealthy for adults. They're a fact of our world now, so I am betting on trying to improve them. It is a majro part of why I am on the fediverse.
@malte because you said that you're on the Fediverse because social networks are unhealthy for kids and adults. For me, that means either that you don't think the Fediverse is a social network, or that you think it's ok or necessary to do something unhealthy.
What I meant to say is that I think the way social networks work at the moment are overall unhealthy for us. The reason I'm here is that I see this as the most likely place to improve the situation.
Yes. I wish we didn't feel the need to use a social network *at all* but the fact that it's virtually impossible to exist in 2026 without a social network is not a healthy thing.
I'm here because it's the best option available but I wish this was not something necessary.
I'm curious how many people voting on this have young ones (I have a teen, and voted "no but" because they have an incredible social life, largely fueled by keeping in touch with people online, but we have so far restricted them to networks of closed groups, not "open world" social networks, mostly)
Not social networks per se, but the purposefully addictive design that tries to keep people on platforms and show them ads and the lack of reporting and moderation are issues that affect everyone but minors disproportionally
It is not that social networks exist, or that they are social that makes them unhealthy, it's algorithmic manipulation by billionaires.
I have just had the unfortunately experience these past few days of what happens when Facebook randomly decides to put my political posts in front of the eyeballs of angry white men.
I answered Yes, but. I think rather than social networks in their entirety it is algorithms designed to encourage addiction and amplifying harmful content that are most unhealthy (for everyone not just minors).
no, but: websites and apps that optimize for maximum addiction ("engagement") so that they can sell more ads are bad for *everyone*, and *everyone* includes minors. some of those websites are social networks. it's not a wrong statement, but putting the focus on "social network" and "minors" is doubly the wrong focus.
Anything indulged in to excess will be unhealthy. Don't quite see why Google and Meta should be to blame in that Los Angeles court case though, no matter how ugly their algorithms are. It's like blaming a tree for a motorist's demise.
ah. I now see where the support for the privacy invasion legislation is coming from.
the idea that children should sit silent, isolated, and inert, until their 18th birthday whereupon they magically gain all the skills needed to live well is what's unhealthy for children.
just let them live their lives with unconditional agency, love, and support. I guarantee you it is better. sometimes they might go online! you are just going to have to find a way to deal with that, team.
Conceptually, no. An online social space isnt automatically anything but social
But as created and run currently, by people and corporate entities who design social networks to maximize engagement by outrage and do not design for healthy use?
That's bad for basically everyone, especially kids who are still learning to navigate their physical social spaces.
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through high school both my parents worked and i was largely left on my own in the house with my 3 siblings. between the age of 13-17 i was in a lot of public discord servers and met a wide variety of people, who shared my extremely crude and childish sense of humor at that time. it was quite nice having human company, even if it was from all over the world and not down the street. however i also had one too many experiences of being DM'd "i did it again :333" or "reply or ill really jump" when I was the ripe age of 14 sipping on root beer and eating chips.
and apparently im not alone in that experience of becoming an uncertified discord therapist because i know so many people who experienced a similar deal, or otherwise wound up in petty internet drama with The Most Insufferable People Ever.
The internet is such an unbelievably varied space that its impossible to really quantify in one number or sentence how healthy it is. It'll be a spin at the roulette table on what you find any given day on any given platform, and with every conceivable human concept available with a bash of a keyboard, anyone can access anything.
I believe that knowledge should not be constrained and social networks often are the gateway to the most up to date conversations on current events and evolving knowledge, with an equal part of rot.
no, and by that i mean i wish i found the good social networks when i was like 11 - then maybe i wouldn’t have been depressed my entire teenage years and would have realized I’m trans like a decade earlier
children need active and effective supervision and some on social networks have it but some don't. social networks are dangerous for children who don't have that supervision. it's the same with irl social networks.
I think it depends on how they're used, and I think it's mostly the commercial social networks that are unhealthy, and not just for minors. Having your opinions and knowledge of current events shaped by a corporate entity is unquestionably bad. I don't think minors are significantly more susceptible to that external manipulation than adults are.
(1/2) @evan I've always opposed sanitizing the world for kids. They *will* get online & find stuff. I did (just w/BBS's!).
I *am* sure so-called “social media” *is* toxic for kids. Heck:it's toxic for most adults. But age verification laws'll put 16 yr olds into business of making fake ids for 10 yr olds. My mother read Tipper Gore's book & Destroyed all my #punk tapes. Lars brought me his to school to listen to free. & the censorship made me an activist for life. So, maybe upsides?🤷 #EvanPoll
Yes, but mostly because creating safe digital spaces for minors is difficult. You need crack moderation teams and robust digital safety plans, as well as actually having their best interests at heart. Very difficult goal to align with those of for-profit companies, extremely difficult to implement by independent groups due to lack of funding. Not to mention the tension that anonymity protects but many protective measures require at least the identification that a user is a minor.
Dialogue is the only way we can all get along, whether we agree with each other or not. Sadly, some people don't deserve that level of respect.
I've put up with a lot of shit flung at me over the years. I'm happy to be insulted to a certain degree, be denigrated, have my words twisted, and often be lied about, but there comes a time when enough is enough, and I have to hit the Mute button.
They have to be extremely bad for me to block them.
Given mine is populated with folk who can't control themselves even after, in some cases, being told they're crossing the line, I can't see myself un-muting anyone any time soon, which is a shame as there are at least two people on there I was originally friends with, but they decided to turn on me for some reason. 🤷🏻♂️
@kim I get it; it's a tough time in the world and people see it as a way to blow off steam. Blocking is good, modeling good behaviour is good. We can get there.
I never felt like SoundCloud was unhealthy, or IRC back in my days. But yes the so called social media that is just algorithmic based spitting out horseshit of content and bullshit ads absolutely are.
yes, but they can also be one of the only safe spaces/resourses for certain marginalized youths (broken homes, lgbtq kids, disabled kids, etc) and i honestly think preventing this abuse is worth the risks.
Inherently, being part of a social group can be important esp. when you're the type who doesn't mix normally (me in my youth.. 0 friends but my ZX Spectrum.. would have killed for something like Mastodon back then).
But the way they're run by corporations with no thought for the damage their algorithms can do.. just more eyeballs means more profit.. makes them a toxic place. We need to fix that.
For me, it’s a “No, but…”. I grew up using BBS (only for a short time) and then Usenet. There have always been toxic elements there, and certainly not everything was age-appropriate. So it’s also a reflection of society. And today, especially on commercial networks, that reflection of society is the attention economy and the greed for data.
Everyone has a responsibility to ensure that these networks are safe for all users. Children should not simply be shielded from them, but rather taught how to use these media. They will find a way to participate anyway.
the problem is "social media" algos. they intentionally fuck with us for profit. bad for everyone but kids are less prepared for manipulation and their brains are still changing. beyond the personal, taken together, they also have a societal impact.
I think staying connected to people they know IRL via "social networking" tools is great for minors. and I think a purely reverse chronological feed without ads is a better way to get news for everyone.
Social networks are not unhealthy, but the most common type of social networks, the ones designed to harvest attention, are unhealthy. I would, reluctantly, allow my child to use Mastodon when she is old enough for it. But I don't like her to have any interaction with Instagram, TikTok and similar.
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in reply to Evan Prodromou • • •Yes, but it isn't a cut and dry, across the board answer
There are issues with social media in general with the sheer amount of access that anyone can have to an onslaught of information
But that's also an important part of allowing people to find themselves
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in reply to Evan Prodromou • • •Yes. I wish we didn't feel the need to use a social network *at all* but the fact that it's virtually impossible to exist in 2026 without a social network is not a healthy thing.
I'm here because it's the best option available but I wish this was not something necessary.
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in reply to Renata 🇨🇦🐈 • • •I removed myself from The Big Ones and people *don't talk to me anymore*
They don't know how to talk to me. They can't find me if it's not by looking it up on some social network.
Don't you think that's a little weird? If I delete my account here, I'm going to basically disappear.
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in reply to Evan Prodromou • • •It is not that social networks exist, or that they are social that makes them unhealthy, it's algorithmic manipulation by billionaires.
I have just had the unfortunately experience these past few days of what happens when Facebook randomly decides to put my political posts in front of the eyeballs of angry white men.
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If I didn't have SNS, I would have unalived myself at 10.
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in reply to Evan Prodromou • • •Yes.
Most are already unhealthy for adults, and minors have even fewer psychological tools than adults to protect themselves from the harm they cause.
So, they're even more unhealthy for minors.
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in reply to Evan Prodromou • • •ah. I now see where the support for the privacy invasion legislation is coming from.
the idea that children should sit silent, isolated, and inert, until their 18th birthday whereupon they magically gain all the skills needed to live well is what's unhealthy for children.
just let them live their lives with unconditional agency, love, and support. I guarantee you it is better. sometimes they might go online! you are just going to have to find a way to deal with that, team.
Ursa
in reply to Evan Prodromou • • •Conceptually, no. An online social space isnt automatically anything but social
But as created and run currently, by people and corporate entities who design social networks to maximize engagement by outrage and do not design for healthy use?
That's bad for basically everyone, especially kids who are still learning to navigate their physical social spaces.
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in reply to Evan Prodromou • • •through high school both my parents worked and i was largely left on my own in the house with my 3 siblings. between the age of 13-17 i was in a lot of public discord servers and met a wide variety of people, who shared my extremely crude and childish sense of humor at that time. it was quite nice having human company, even if it was from all over the world and not down the street.
however i also had one too many experiences of being DM'd "i did it again :333" or "reply or ill really jump" when I was the ripe age of 14 sipping on root beer and eating chips.
and apparently im not alone in that experience of becoming an uncertified discord therapist because i know so many people who experienced a similar deal, or otherwise wound up in petty internet drama with The Most Insufferable People Ever.
The internet is such an unbelievably varied space that its impossible to really quantify in one number or sentence how healthy it is. It'll be a spin at the roulette table on what you find any given day on any given platform, and with every conceivable human concept available with a bash of a keyboard, anyone can access anything.
I believe that knowledge should not be constrained and social networks often are the gateway to the most up to date conversations on current events and evolving knowledge, with an equal part of rot.
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in reply to Evan Prodromou • • •(1/2) @evan I've always opposed sanitizing the world for kids.
They *will* get online & find stuff. I did (just w/BBS's!).
I *am* sure so-called “social media” *is* toxic for kids. Heck:it's toxic for most adults.
But age verification laws'll put 16 yr olds into business of making fake ids for 10 yr olds.
My mother read Tipper Gore's book & Destroyed all my #punk tapes.
Lars brought me his to school to listen to free.
& the censorship made me an activist for life. So, maybe upsides?🤷
#EvanPoll
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in reply to Evan Prodromou • • •Folks, I know this is a heated issue, but please be respectful of other people in the comments. You can disagree without attacking people personally.
I have a hard line about telling people they are unfit to be parents. That's not an acceptable thing to say to another human being.
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in reply to Evan Prodromou • • •I know. I pride myself on Freedom of speech.
Dialogue is the only way we can all get along, whether we agree with each other or not. Sadly, some people don't deserve that level of respect.
I've put up with a lot of shit flung at me over the years. I'm happy to be insulted to a certain degree, be denigrated, have my words twisted, and often be lied about, but there comes a time when enough is enough, and I have to hit the Mute button.
They have to be extremely bad for me to block them.
Evan Prodromou
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in reply to Evan Prodromou • • •Ah, the old Knee-jerk reaction, aye?
Christ, how have we managed to stay friends for eighteen years? 🤣 🤣 🤣
Evan Prodromou
in reply to dick_turpin • • •@dick_turpin I kind of feel like it's better than saying something I'll regret later.
I also regularly go through my blocklist and if I can't remember why I blocked someone, I unblock them. So it's more like a cooling-off period.
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in reply to Evan Prodromou • • •I struggled between yes, but and no, but.
Inherently, being part of a social group can be important esp. when you're the type who doesn't mix normally (me in my youth.. 0 friends but my ZX Spectrum.. would have killed for something like Mastodon back then).
But the way they're run by corporations with no thought for the damage their algorithms can do.. just more eyeballs means more profit.. makes them a toxic place. We need to fix that.
Aljoscha Rittner (beandev)
in reply to Evan Prodromou • • •For me, it’s a “No, but…”. I grew up using BBS (only for a short time) and then Usenet. There have always been toxic elements there, and certainly not everything was age-appropriate. So it’s also a reflection of society. And today, especially on commercial networks, that reflection of society is the attention economy and the greed for data.
Everyone has a responsibility to ensure that these networks are safe for all users. Children should not simply be shielded from them, but rather taught how to use these media. They will find a way to participate anyway.
Evan Prodromou
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in reply to Evan Prodromou • • •the problem is "social media" algos. they intentionally fuck with us for profit. bad for everyone but kids are less prepared for manipulation and their brains are still changing. beyond the personal, taken together, they also have a societal impact.
I think staying connected to people they know IRL via "social networking" tools is great for minors. and I think a purely reverse chronological feed without ads is a better way to get news for everyone.
I hope we can make the distinction.
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