Right wing tech bros: we love Star Trek but it's too woke nowadays. Too preachy. Kirk's show wasn't like this.
Average TOS episode: AI is bad and should never be allowed to run a society. Also, make peace because nationalism kills and every life form must be respected equally.
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Cyberlyra
in reply to Sheryl Weikal • • •Seriously. Everyone at NASA I worked with loved Star Trek and was working towards that kind of future. They recognized the problems and challenges, but they really believed that future.
Although people in the commercial tech industry love to trot out sci fi references as if it's some kind of credential, they consistently get it wrong, making the dystopian stuff come true instead.
You just cannot get to The Federation by building SkyNet. It's not possible.
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Jhooper
in reply to Lorraine Lee • • •Jayflo
in reply to Cyberlyra • • •But Zefram Cochrane only invented warp drive (or got it to work) after WW3, and what caused that? I certainly don't know, but it could gave been Star Trek timelines version of skynet!
@Sheryl Weikal
Sheryl Weikal
in reply to Sheryl Weikal • • •RWTB: Oh but surely Picard's Enterprise wasn't like this.
Average TNG Episode: Will Riker is falling for a trans person from an agender society. Meanwhile, the genius Black disabled chief engineer and his autism-coded android best friend just saved another planet through science education.
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Sheryl Weikal
in reply to Sheryl Weikal • • •RWTB: Yes but look at all the fighting and war in Deep Space Nine! That's not woke!
Average DS9 episode: The Black captain is having visions from the prophets about fighting racism and his canonically trans best friend is talking with the first officer and chief engineer about their polycule.
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Sheryl Weikal
in reply to Sheryl Weikal • • •RWTB: BUT BUT VOYAGER WASN'T WOKE!!
Average Voyager Episode: The Doctor travels to a capitalist society where he teaches the people about the need for universal health care as the Captain is holding a hearing on whether Q has a right to bodily autonomy.
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traecer
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JTinMI
in reply to Sheryl Weikal • • •Alex o_O
in reply to Sheryl Weikal • • •I heard a long time ago, don’t know if true (probably not), that Roddenberry originally wanted to make a non-scifi about social injustices and such but was rejected – so he put it in space instead.
Whether true or not, that’s how I view TOS. I mean there’s literally an episode about half-black-half-white being racist to half-white-half-black people of their own species… many if not most episodes are extremely thinly veiled social commentary.
The Gaffer
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frank87
in reply to Sheryl Weikal • • •Kirk
in reply to Sheryl Weikal • • •Twotired
in reply to Sheryl Weikal • • •RATM used to be cool but now it’s woke!
Jesus used to be cool but now He’s woke!
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GhostOnTheHalfShell
in reply to Sheryl Weikal • • •I will take “What is Return of the Archons” for $300 dollars Jerry.
Or I will take “ what little girls are made of” for $300
Darnell Clayton
in reply to Sheryl Weikal • • •That is confusing as Star Trek has always been a very progressive show. As in decades ahead of its time culturally. Probably more than the average SciFi show.
If conservatives want a relatively conservative show, I think Babylon 5 might be in their orbit.
I was going to recommend Firefly / Serenity, but it’s too libertarian & diverse for their taste! 😂
JdeBP
in reply to Darnell Clayton • • •@darnell
One might want to show it to them, but not for the reasons that you might think.
Babylon 5 is the one that had a fascist regime take over Earth, institute a system of enforcers and informants named NightWatch, and bomb civilian targets on Mars; which is eventually defeated by a coalition of diverse species co-lead by a mixed-species person.
G'Kar had elements of Nelson Mandela and Mahatma Gandhi. Garibaldi didn't like corrupt corporations. Ivanova was in a same-sex relationship. Sinclair had PTSD. Neroon became a peacenik.
The show addressed slavery, social inequity, torture, mind control, racism/speciesism, collaborators, genocide, self-destruction, suppression of opposition, and sending people to die in wars.
One of its episodes, 'The Illusion of Truth' which showed how the Earth regime distorted the news for propaganda purposes, was even considered for use in university courses in the U.S.A..
midwinter.com/lurk/guide/074.h…
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#Babylon5
Guide Page: "The Illusion of Truth"
midwinter.comDarnell Clayton
in reply to JdeBP • • •@JdeBP Yep! Oh! I forgot the main character married outside of his species, so maybe Babylon 5 is not a great show to recommend.
Maybe Starship Troopers then‽ 🤪
Gentleman Technologist
in reply to Darnell Clayton • • •@darnell @JdeBP starship troopers, at least if you read the the book and get the references in the movie, is basically one huge criticism of authoritarian regimes managing the population through jingoism, propaganda, and endless wars. Again, not ideal if you’re at all able to get past the surface.
+1 for Babylon 5 too. I loved that. Overdue for a reboot
botvolution
in reply to Darnell Clayton • • •Oh mate, I think JMS would like a word.