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The #FDroid website has a new banner on top to remind visitors that #Google did not change course and #Android will be locked-down in under 200 days.
If you care about the freedom to control your devices and care about the privacy of you data, please contact your representative and make your voice heard.
keepandroidopen.org/ (thanks @marcprux) has the resources to guide you.
We know users will rarely visit the site so the Client(s) will get a banner soon too.
Thank you for your support!
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Why is #grapheneos not on keepandroidopen.org/ ? Holy war again?
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@cy8aer iirc grapheneos disagrees with fdroid's signature model (where all apps are signed by fdroid and builds aren't really reproducible), among other things. However, I don't think this is the case here. You may ping them and ask if you want.
Here is some insight of you wanna go down the rabbit hole: discuss.grapheneos.org/d/7519-β¦
Here is some insight of you wanna go down the rabbit hole: discuss.grapheneos.org/d/7519-β¦
F-droid security - GrapheneOS Discussion Forum
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@Alonely0 @cy8aer Older apps were added when reproducibility wasn't achievable. For this reason today only about 22% of apps that we host are signed by their developer. This number will increase with time as we push for reproducibility at inclusion time. Also, switching from one signer to another is an annoying process that users need to take manually, for security reasons.
@cy8aer tysm! I didn't know this was the case.
@Alonely0 @cy8aer
I read some of those threads linked from the discuss link. This whole situation is exhausting. Multiple ways to get screwed over on multiple fronts. The layman has no chance to understand any of this.
And then, of course, you'll get a pithy "use ubuntu" reply to these threads, which is fine if you have one of the 12 old phones supported by it.
I don't know what the solution is, but if the answer is "get the apk from github and ensure you trust the dev" then essentially everyone is screwed.
@tehstu @cy8aer yeah, it's a technical discussion, sorry I assumed more than I should have (it's an xkcd 2501 situation, look it up lol). However, I have to say that relying on GitHub releases is not that bad of a deal with an app store like Obtainium, which streamlines app updates. It's actually a quite secure model since it comes as straight from the developer as it possibly can.
@Alonely0 @tehstu @cy8aer Note that Obtainium, Aurora and other app stores will have the same issues on 99.9999% of devices if Google goes ahead. Regarding "secure", do read f-droid.org/docs/Inclusion_How⦠too.
Inclusion How-To | F-Droid - Free and Open Source Android App Repository
This page documents how a new application gets included in the main F-Droid repository. It includes the technical details that a submitter should be aware of...f-droid.org
Die Website "FDroid" hat ein neues Banner, um die Besucher daran zu erinnern, dass "Google den Kurs nicht geΓ€ndert hat" und "Android" in weniger als 200 Tagen gesperrt wird.
Datenschutz- und RegulierungsbehΓΆrden sind ernsthaft besorgt ΓΌber Monopole und die zunehmende Machtkonzentration im Technologiesektor β und sie mΓΆchten die Stimmen der Betroffenen hΓΆren.
FΓΌr weitere Infos: keepandroidopen.org/de/
F-Droid β Freies und quelloffenes Android-App-Repository
F-Droid ist das Γkosystem der FOSS-App-Verteilung fΓΌr Android, bei dem deine Benutzerfreiheit an erster Stelle steht. Entdecke unseren App-Store, um die Welt der freien und quelloffenen (FOSS) Apps zu erkunden, und [erfahre](https://f-droid.f-droid.org
i don't like to downplay f-droid efforts, or spread pessimism.
still, my unfortunate opinion. android starts to be lost cause, too much gooish google in it, like there is apple control in apple devices.
it is not just closed google components, it is android ecosystem and api's in general. alphabet inc controls android too much.
of course, delaying destruction of open android is still beneficial for short term.
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And while the banner correctly states F-Droid being under threat: it's not just F-Droid, it's the free Android world being under threat. In its entirety. So the same applies to IzzyOnDroid β but also to Obtainium & Co. And if you think you could still use Aurora to access the PlayStore, think again: how would you install Aurora in the first place?
This is the empire striking. The alleged "security" is just a way to circumvent the requirement to open for alternative stores.
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@IzzyOnDroid it is really surprising that the @EUCommission is okay with Google locking down our devices, digital sovereignty what-what?
I did use the means on keepandroidopen.org to reach out. However, I am not convinced it will change the course Alphabet/Google set for Android.
Therefore I preordered the new #jollaphone with Sailfish OS and AndroidAppSupport.
Maybe it is time for Linux to shine on mobile as well. May it be #sailfishos, #postmarketos, #ubuntutouch or another Linux mobile OS. And Android emulators like #WayDroid .
Therefore I preordered the new #jollaphone with Sailfish OS and AndroidAppSupport.
Maybe it is time for Linux to shine on mobile as well. May it be #sailfishos, #postmarketos, #ubuntutouch or another Linux mobile OS. And Android emulators like #WayDroid .
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200 days till lock down. That means about half a year to finish my divorce from Google and find a replacement phone.
Ironically this is the first news lately that has not made me feel horribly behind schedule.
I am so sad. I was considering returning to android after a hiatus. But this new direction really makes me hope that true open platforms will be viable for daily use soon.
I'm already drifting away from android as an everything device. I'm so tired of Google enshitifying what they made and the need to be constantly online. My guess is that I'll have a phone that's just a phone in 5 years. All I need is chat apps like Signal, SMS, calling, and a basic web browser to look the occasional thing up. What I run could be modified android, but it won't be anything close to what Google would want me to run
@murena@mastodon.social @gael Nothing, all will work fine past September 2026. That being said, Google releases Android code less often each year so issues will creep up...
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Wie sieht das dann mit z. B. GrapheneOS oder /e/OS aus? Sind die damit auch aus dem Spiel?
Zumindest bei z. B. einem Fairphone mit /e/OS hΓ€tte ich die Hoffnung, dass die auch weiterhin nutzbar wΓ€ren?
The #FDroid website has a new banner on top to remind visitors that #Google did not change course and #Android will be locked-down in under 200 days.If you care about the freedom to control your devices and care about the privacy of you data, please contact your representative and make your voice heard.
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We know users will rarely visit the site so the Client(s) will get a banner soon too.
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As a big fan and user of F-Droid, I'm afraid the writing is on the wall.
As others have said, we can no longer rely on Android being what it needs to be.
A true alternative is required.
Did Google not change course with their "high friction flow"?
@PVTejas No one saw that flow, so until then, all their posts are PR media control.
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Who let this monopoly game go so long?
Tell me your corrupt without telling us all just how effing corrupt you are!
What am I supposed to say they're doing that's illegal when I complain?
"Please exercise powers you don't have to do a thing I know you fully support and instead listen to me, who you don't give two fucks about. I don't even have a dollar to bribe you with."
No, seriously. What do I put in this form? I haven't a clue. There's no point if I can't even attempt to be convincing and I don't know one single thing that would convince anyone of anything here.
@crazyeddie The top section has a "You, the consumer" text that you could mention to the private person, and one named "You, the state" that puts things into perspective for them as a representative of the people.
That's actually seriously unhelpful. Cool though. I'll just focus on helping anyone that wants install lineage or something. Screaming directly into a trash can is pointless anyway but if there was actually something I could say that would like suggest a step to take or law that's being broken or something I might have bothered. Clearly there's just bitching about how shit's being ruined and they don't give a shit.
@crazyeddie Is the "United States" section is not enough, we might need some better pointers.
The defunct email addresses in that section are depressing.
It just sends me to a place where I can report an antitrust claim. Like say google is breaking the law and needs to be investigated.
I don't know what I'd tell them they're doing wrong nor what steps should be taken. I'm especially baffled because we already let Apple do this shit.
I can't just complain about stuff on a crime reporting form. I need to be reporting something.
I guess it's relevant that I'm in the US and the "regulating agency" here is just one of Trump's goons.
Aren βt the government and the EU officials being contacted already?
I would prefer a way to have the opportunity to change the behaviour of what I can and what I canβt do on my phone β like a "free"-"unfree" switch to be easily used on my phone. As I wonβt bet that politics is willing to to the job in the next 200 days.
I would prefer a way to have the opportunity to change the behaviour of what I can and what I canβt do on my phone β like a "free"-"unfree" switch to be easily used on my phone. As I wonβt bet that politics is willing to to the job in the next 200 days.
@_RyekDarkener_ It's not only about "your" phone, but of your friends and family too. Note that Google knows PR really well, people already relaxed and forgot about this, as media just repeated the Google texts verbatim.
Jep. And to my understanding this is officially a crime in an area where law already exists. Iβm no lawyer. But Iβm quite confident the case will come to court.
Iβm very much struggling with the idea that our politicians do not know what happens.
Iβm very much struggling with the idea that our politicians do not know what happens.
@_RyekDarkener_ Being blocked on 99% of devices for four years until we win such a court case is not the best path
I agree. So β as I said β waiting for politics may be much as waiting for godot.
I would like to have an operating system for my current β and any other β smartphone to be easy installed via otg stick. Like any other computer. A lot of this is already in place. And frankly spoken I donβt think that 95% of the current users care if they can use F-Droid or not. I like F-Droid. But sadly it is elitist currently and not mainstream.
I would like to have an operating system for my current β and any other β smartphone to be easy installed via otg stick. Like any other computer. A lot of this is already in place. And frankly spoken I donβt think that 95% of the current users care if they can use F-Droid or not. I like F-Droid. But sadly it is elitist currently and not mainstream.
@_RyekDarkener_ We'd like to know, what makes it elitist though? As we are always working on making it easier to use so it achieves mainstream usage.
The problem is not on your side. You are doing a tremendous job.
The problem is the majority of users. And their unwillingness to learn and to adapt.
The problem is the majority of users. And their unwillingness to learn and to adapt.
hey gang, I host @crossed, would anyone from the F-Droid team like to come chat to us about this and why this fundamentally breaks the Android promise?
Maybe a Federated Fone?
@alandvalonline
I also wish for this. Linux drivers for legacy phone hardware, a Chromebook level of simplicity for installing or running variant UX's, maybe from a removable card or USB stick... A secure OS like Tails... Siloed apps... I don't want corporate access to any data.
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I also wish for this. Linux drivers for legacy phone hardware, a Chromebook level of simplicity for installing or running variant UX's, maybe from a removable card or USB stick... A secure OS like Tails... Siloed apps... I don't want corporate access to any data.
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google is an integral part of the security/surveillance state. they're not susceptible to public opinion. hopefully the tech crowd will continue to develop alternatives.
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Wow, a crucial warning! β οΈ It's time to be vigilant and take action to keep Android open and our privacy safe.
@pixelfed and please be sure to resist
How will this effect LineageOS and other android alternatives?
@TTFKA_Tay0 To be fair, they are not alternatives, they use the same code, and are at the mercy of Google when it comes to releasing such code. Otherwise, once installed, Lineage and other Android distributions can give the freedom back to their users to install what they want.
Got a quick answer from EU's DMA Team, they might have a standard response due to high demand :
> Dear citizen,
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> Thank you for contacting us and sharing your concerns regarding the impact of Googleβs plans to introduce a developer verification process on Android. We appreciate that you have chosen to contact us, as we welcome feedback from interested parties.
... 1/N
> As you may be aware, the Digital Markets Act (βDMAβ) obliges gatekeepers like Google to effectively allow the distribution of apps on their operating system through third party app stores or the web. At the same time, the DMA also permits Google to introduce strictly necessary and proportionate measures to ensure that third-party software apps or app stores do not endanger the integrity of the hardware or operating system or to enable end users to effectively protect security.
... 2/3
... 2/3
> We have taken note of your concerns and, while we cannot comment on ongoing dialogue with gatekeepers, these considerations will form part of our assessment of the justifications for the verification process provided by Google.
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> Kind regards,
> The DMA Team
... 3/3
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> Kind regards,
> The DMA Team
... 3/3
As said by #FDroid team, keep sending emails, requests and letters to regulators ! They **need** these requests to have any leverage on lawmakers.
Yes, standard text. Maybe we should encourage people to mention that not being able to install software on a device can't be a necessary and proportionate measure to begin with.
@Preuk
Can you give me a link where you contacted in the EU and how? I am a bit overwhelmed on where to report my concerns.
Can you give me a link where you contacted in the EU and how? I am a bit overwhelmed on where to report my concerns.
@v_d_richards @Preuk keepandroidopen.org/ ?
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Thanks for the link
I still have problems to understand what happens with apps like those of fossify, or DuckDuckGo for example, that i downloaded and maintain over F-Droid, but that are also available on Playstore and thus should be under the "verified" category.
These should still work but not the F-Droid Store App itself so i need to update via a website manually???
I am not an IT person. I genuelly have problems understanding this, despite having read the infos i found so far.
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Si china puede hacer un clon de Android, ΒΏAcaso no puede hacerlo Europa?
ΒΏPara cuando un Linux para dispositivos mΓ³viles?
ΒΏhasta cuando seguiremos siendo vasallos de las multinacionales norteamericanas?
ΒΏPara cuando nuestra delcaraciΓ³n de Soberania Digital?
Β‘Sin Soberania Digital no hay libertad, independencia ni democrΓ‘cia!
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@apicultor Everything we do is transparent and public, eg. floss.social/@fdroidorg/116086β¦
@Alonely0 @cy8aer Older apps were added when reproducibility wasn't achievable. For this reason today only about 22% of apps that we host are signed by their developer. This number will increase with time as we push for reproducibility at inclusion time. Also, switching from one signer to another is an annoying process that users need to take manually, for security reasons.
@apicultor If you have questions why not drop by and ask directly? f-droid.org/about/#contact Posts from 2021 and half-truths on forums won't give you the information you need.
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F-Droid is the FOSS app distribution ecosystem for Android where your user freedom comes first. Discover our app store to explore the world of free and open source (FOSS) apps and [learn](https://f-droid.f-droid.org
Contacted the Department of Justice and the US Federal Trade Commission with a request of acknowledgement from both. π
@nathanael @GrapheneOS Custom Android distros are not affected because they care about the freedom of their users.
not sure i get what you're saying. we shouldn't support grapheneos cause they are not affected?!
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@nathanael @GrapheneOS We should be allies in the Android ecosystem (specially during these days) but they choose to be frenemies for some reason.
Fun fact: We talked with more GOS users at FOSDEM than stock Android users. π€
because they decided to be enemies you don't list them? this is childish. they might have an opinion you don't like. so what? get over it. saying this:
These projects are working to provide much-needed competition in the mobile hardware space.
and not listing grapheneos makes you the bad guys in my book...
There ist no freedom in capitalism.
: pour ma part, j'ai un fairphone 4 avec e/os installΓ©, avec F-droid dedans depuis quelques annΓ©es dΓ©jΓ et cette info ne me surprend nullement.
Thank you for your amazing work. For me its time to switch to Linux in under 200 days.
You have to know how to make a report correctly. It's not for average doomscroller.
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If Google doesn't want to place nice, I suppose we have options...
Huawei HarmonyOS: harmonyos.com/en/
Samsung TizenOS: samsungtizenos.com/
Perhaps an Android exodus would scare Google enough to backtrack on the registration agenda.
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Does anyone know how this affects phones that already have F-Droid and apps from there installed?
Will some Android/Google Update make them stop working all of a sudden? Or not let me update them anymore? Or will this affect only future Android versions?
@v_d_richards No info on that, no info on anything actually.
I think it is useless to keep android open. As long as google controls it, it is a sinking ship.
Much better to move to other alternatives like Jolla or other linuxbased options and rebuild from scratch.
its a good thing actually as the main thing it affects is intimate partner violence stalking and really low hanging fruit malware. you can literally still sideload, you just cant distribute apks anonymously. you can still modify a phone to remove the restriction, just not without the owner noticing, which is the actual point. this is completely out of touch with the reality of the android malware ecosystem, the harm it causes and why they are actually doing this.
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will this affect lineage phones? (or any other roms)
Directly or indirectly?
Ugh, looks like I might be using /e/OS sooner than expected.
I live in China. We don't have representatives to contact. Even Google doesn't provide service to users here directly. Please do NOT show the useless header to users from China. I love F-Droid and FOSS in general but the header would be useless and annoying.
i just want big brother not watching everyone's every move, holy hell.
i only use ggle services because of how popular they are, while minimizing what ggle i use
i only use ggle services because of how popular they are, while minimizing what ggle i use
@Framasoft est- ce que çà concerne uniquement l'Os Android "Google"? Ou est-ce que ce sera valable pour toures les version Android " degoogleisées" comme lineageOs ou /e/os par exemple ?
super chiant ce Google qui vΓ©rouile tout.
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Get Robert Reich off Substack.
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Good luck.
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Tried to be nice in the past.
Nice doesn't feed the bulldog.
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The European Parliament has voted for #Trans women to be recognised as women π₯³
Meanwhile in terf UK ....
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I like how Mamdani justβ¦does things.
Democratic lawmakers and executives need to stop wringing their hands and trying to get bipartisan consensus and whatnot and actually DO THINGS that benefit people. Do a thousand little things that add up to a lifetime of benefits for a lot of people. Do the opposite of Death by a Thousand Cuts: Life and prosperity by a thousand good choices.
HAVE AGENCY. There are SO MANY low hanging fruit that lawmakers and executives can address even as they wrestle with the truly hard problems. Address what you can. Build the muscle.
βMayor Mamdani Announces City Will Restart Construction of Four Halted Bus and Bike Lane Projects in the Bronx and Brooklynβ
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FDR had to deal with oatmeal Dems too. Supporters and he, formed and endorsed and primaried for - "New Deal Dems" to support FDR's New Deal.
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#NYC will not only have rent assistance, we will have a universal basic income.
#nyc
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The constant naysaying by the Newspaper Axis is being shown to be bullsh*t already.
The social, economic, & environmental gains of free municipal transit alone are already astonishing.
What if we found out that nearly everything that billionaires have promoted was turning out to be a lie?!? Gasp!
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"Trickle Down Economics" & tax cuts for the rich
Climate denial
Immigration "reform"
Brexit
Vouchers
Deregulation
All self-serving bs.
Why are Koch-funded activists trying to derail a US city's public transit?
Phoenix will vote Tuesday on a light rail system expansion. It faces opposition from business owners backed by activists affiliated with the Koch networkGuardian staff reporter (the Guardian)
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No, βshariah lawβ is not taking over and anti-shariah bills are grounded in stupidity, not the Constitution. Watch as I dismantle the ignorant bigotry and Islamophobic hate from Georgia State Senator Greg Dolezol in just about 2 minutes.
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Georgia State Senator tries to βban shariah lawβ
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Math trivia: the "B." in Benoit B. Mandelbrot stands for Benoit B. Mandelbrot
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@vikxin The bit about the circumflex is easily explained. His family was Lithuanian, and he was born in Poland. They were not originally French. While Lithuanian and Polish orthography have numerous diacritics, the circumflex is not among them. It would be unlikely to be used in anyone's name, even if it was of foreign origin. This happens with French names used as English given names, too: Γric > Eric, FranΓ§ois > Francis, ThΓ©odore > Theodore, FrΓ©dΓ©ric > Frederic, etc.
I bought a carton of Campbell's chicken broth.
The first ingredient listed was "chicken broth", then additives like sugar snd salt.
Presumably that chicken broth in the list is also recursive.
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Making it a fixed point orbit
after 666 levels deep the innermost B stands for Bottom
Math trivia: the "B." in Benoit B. Mandelbrot stands for Benoit B. Mandelbrot
Math trivia: the "B." in Benoit B. Mandelbrot stands for Benoit B. Mandelbrot
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Math trivia: the "B." in Benoit B. Mandelbrot stands for Benoit B. Mandelbrot
My favourite math joke
I take issue with it never laying down on the job.
What's the worst?.. handle MandelBrat-wurst?..
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@cstross This is a common misconception. The βB.β here is really the set of all expansions for which Benoit B. Mandelbrot converges (e.g., when βB.β stands for βGaston M. Juliaβ).
There is a book in the Library of Babel that confirms this! ππ
@simonzerafa there's another book in there with a very elegant counter proof that was too long to put into the margins of the first vook
No, it stands for Benoit B. Mandlebrot if you look closely.
Bonus trivia: "Banach-Tarski Banach-Tarski" is an anagram of "Banach-Tarski"
it would be funnier if the B stood for Benoit B, not Benoit
benoit b mandelbenoit b mandelbrotrot
Benoit Benoit Benoit Benoit Benoit Benoit Benoit Benoit Benoit Benoit Benoit Benoit Benoit Benoit Benoit ...........
-- stack overflow.
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The FDA decided not to even review Moderna's mRNA flu vaccines for approval, even though the studies the FDA would be reviewing were conducted the way the FDA told Moderna to do them.
Now #Moderna expects that none of its other #mRNA #vaccines will be reviewed, and has halted studies on vaccines for EBV, HSV, and shingles.
A lot of people with herpes would be angry if they found out.
A lot of people who have family members with #MS -- now thought to be caused in part by EBV -- will be livid.
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So frustratingly corrupt that they halt studies rather than going to court or abroad.
this makes me furious! My autoimmune troubles were all triggered by reactivated EBV. If there were a vaccine, my whole life would have been different. If we could save others from the same fate, I would do anything to help them.
The only reason would be that competing companies have bought their way into favor with the DJT administration, and Moderna is on the outside looking in.
@EndicottAuthor Sadly, that's a more hopeful interpretation than mine: the administration is pursuing an anti-vaccine agenda, and is doing what it can to make EVERY vaccine manufacturer pack up and leave. Moderna is just the first.
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@EndicottAuthor Yup. With a side of shakedown as a distraction.
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You're always in a better position to negotiate if you are willing to walk away. So Trump teamed up with people who do not care for the systems they are put in charge of -- their goal is to walk away. Now it's just a matter of how much Trump can extract from everyone else while they do that
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@EndicottAuthor NOpe. They are anti-vaccine.
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No, there is a bit more to it. Moderna was the first to announce the possibility of using mRNA to build the vaccine, they announced it either just after Chump lost in 2020 or just after Chump left the white house in 2021. And then they had the audacity to lose to Pfizer to market launch, so to Chump it is very personal, which means to RFKjr it is personal.
Is there any reason they couldn't apply for approval in Europe or Canada or some other place that hasn't lost his mind?
A vaccine manufacturer would normally apply for approval in many jurisdictions.
But for some back-of-the-envelope calculations: new vaccines are generally introduced to more affluent countries first, especially for diseases that aren't immediately fatal. The market for vaccines against EBV, HSV, and VZV would be in this category.
EU: 450M people
Canada: 40M
US: 350M
Without US, the market is AT LEAST 40% smaller. Is it still worth it do to the studies?
@Mikal This!
Like so many other science or tech stuff going on in usa... Let's profit of it's stupidity to expand European knowledge/market!
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They 100% could apply for approval in Europe or Canada but they won't because without access to the US market their isn't enough profit for them... and companies like Moderna don't care about people, they only care about profit.
Europe, Canada, et al need to force the issue by changing patent law (at least for medical patents but honestly it would be best to cover all patents) to include a 'use it or lose it' clause. If companies don't pursue approval Government's should have the right to step in and use the companies patents to develop the drugs themselves.
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Turns out Microsoft forgot to renew a domain name. Some rando diagnosed it and paid to renew it for them before they even knew what was happening.
They "graciously" offered to compensate him the $35 he spent.
Possibly one of my early disillusionments about capitalism. The man deserved a goddamn reward.
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